How Bush's policies doomed New Orleans.

I am so damn sick of all this bullshit...people in this country need to learn to think for themselves.
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Exactly...
But in order to establish valid independent thought, facts must be taken into account.
Passion is a great thing, but once it becomes exasperation and frustration, it defeats its own purpose.
 
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doesnt thinking for yourself INCLUDE disapproving/disagreeing with a president and his methods if they dont sit well with you?

the folks that are crowing about Bush being in office would be doing the SAME THING we "non bush supporters" are doing if ANY OTHER candidate (especially John Kerry) had won. the only difference is, Johny Kerry isnt a "thug" disguised in a political front. which is all bush and his cabinet are.
 
That article is garbage, government spending cuts are always made in agencies,
the unpreparedness of New Orleans has MORE to do with the the massive power of the Hurricane and the massive amounts of flood damage. That's what. Folks blaming things on BUSH is getting old . . and who ever wrote that article needs to get a clue.
 
ZorCrow said:
That article is garbage, government spending cuts are always made in agencies,
the unpreparedness of New Orleans has MORE to do with the the massive power of the Hurricane and the massive amounts of flood damage. That's what. Folks blaming things on BUSH is getting old . . and who ever wrote that article needs to get a clue.
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It's garbage to discuss issues with peeps that don't thoroughly read...
The key word is Privitization Because something is done all of the time, doesn't make it correct. My side of the discussion ends here..
 
Spellbinder said:
doesnt thinking for yourself INCLUDE disapproving/disagreeing with a president and his methods if they dont sit well with you?

the folks that are crowing about Bush being in office would be doing the SAME THING we "non bush supporters" are doing if ANY OTHER candidate (especially John Kerry) had won. the only difference is, Johny Kerry isnt a "thug" disguised in a political front. which is all bush and his cabinet are.
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Reading biased articles does not equal thinking for yourself. Disagreeing of course is part of thinking for yourself, but disagreeing with things simply because of the person who happens to be in the Oval Office at the time is not.

I didn't vote for Clinton, and I don't like him, but I didn't go around blaming natural disasters on him...
 
Vilandra said:
Reading biased articles does not equal thinking for yourself. Disagreeing of course is part of thinking for yourself, but disagreeing with things simply because of the person who happens to be in the Oval Office at the time is not.

I didn't vote for Clinton, and I don't like him, but I didn't go around blaming natural disasters on him...
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speaking for myself, reading a so called biased article (or 8 lol) may actually cofirm what i already felt. it really depends on the content of the article. now you know me well enough to know my stance on things...and i just dont go whichever way the wind blows.

and as for "blaming" Bush for natural disasters...i know I'm not doing that...and i dont think this article said that either. but what i DO think is that if the NHC knew about the POWER that Katrina was packing and that this was the deadliest storm seen on the gulf coast of the US in half a century...THE GOVERNMENT (which the NHC is officially apart of) should have done a HELL OF A LOT MORE to get those people out of New Orleans.

They KNEW the geography of New Orleans..its basically like a BATHTUB..and the bulk of the city as at the bottom of a big hole! BUSH KNEW what was coming and dont think he didnt because he's got a cabinet full of advisors and all that and so im saying..if they KNEW that majority of the populace in New Orleans consisted of poor people (most of whom happened to be black) some of whom had no means of evacuating OUT of the city on their own because they had no transportation or otherwise...what the hell kind of shit was it to simply herd them into the frickin Super Dome? IT got damaged by hurricane itself...so it obviously wasnt as sturdy as they thought it would be.

why couldnt they have gotten a fleet of buses, or called the military reserves in to get those people out? why arent they sending the USS Comfort or some other naval ship hospital? Its not as if they didnt know what was coming and Bush had the power to do something more than what he did...he told people to "wait it out!" now half of those people are probably DEAD! their city is lost and they have nothing.

THAT to me is totally fucked up..and HE should be doing more than what he is.
 
Reading biased articles does not equal thinking for yourself. Disagreeing of course is part of thinking for yourself, but disagreeing with things simply because of the person who happens to be in the Oval Office at the time is not. I didn't vote for Clinton, and I don't like him, but I didn't go around blaming natural disasters on him...
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I didn't vote for Clinton either...

The article is far from biased.

If you actually took the time to read it the article this was the intro.

Over the last coupla days there has been some wailing and gnashing of teeth over 'liberal bloggers' here on PHXNews. Of course, the story came from NewsMax, so it's crap to begin with, but I wanted to do some research and see if there was any truth to their claims.
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doesn't sound like he was on a Bush bashing warpath...
Actually kind of sounds like you, and so he investigated for himself.

What followed was an article with links that led to factual statistics in regards to the Govt spending.

I by no means am a Clinton loving Democrat...
Both parties are awful
If anything I am closer to a Libertarian, but an Independent..

So I will go back to

In order to establish valid independent thought, facts must be taken into account.
 
Maybe instead of blaming bush we should blame the whole government, given bush's IQ I doubt they let him do much by himself with the exeption of play with his G.I Joe collection
 
Maybe instead of blaming bush we should blame the whole government, given bush's IQ I doubt they let him do much by himself with the exeption of play with his G.I Joe collection
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I love you... ;)
You'll have no argument from me there, although he's got the stupid cowboy role down to a tee.
I mean his entire family is bred in New Hampshire & he's a Yalie, albeit w/ a low graduation gpa...
 
Vilandra said:
Reading biased articles does not equal thinking for yourself. Disagreeing of course is part of thinking for yourself, but disagreeing with things simply because of the person who happens to be in the Oval Office at the time is not.

I didn't vote for Clinton, and I don't like him, but I didn't go around blaming natural disasters on him...
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I'm not blaming Bush for Hurricane Katrina. That's just ridiculous. But I don't believe he's doing everything in his power to help the people that have been effected by the hurricane.

He needs to set his sights on getting New Orleans built up ASAP instead of stopping looters. And of course getting these gas prices down. Otherwise everything is going to go into a downwards spiral, in my opinion.
 
All bush knows how to do is fight, what would he know about helping people? The bush administration sees this as a problem they need to fight not assist with. So the obvious responce to them is too attack the looters.
 
What makes me raise an eyebrow is that the American Government recent actions and expensive overseas policies have always been justified as protecting the nation and its people.

But I watched a news report today on the events that have been happening over there in New Orleans. Shouldn't the Government have focused it's efforts on protecting its people in its own country first. I saw how helcopters threw supplies out whilst in midair whilst a Mother was screaming to the News camera saying something along the lines like 'they treat us like dogs' how is she supposed to run over and get suppiles and water for her babies?

The aid and help I watched given to the souls in New Orleans would be atrocious treatment to those in a third World country, in fact I've watched people in third World countries recieve better treatment and aid when in dire situations. I'm not saying that third Worlders deserve less. But you would think that in a country as wealthy and as rich in resources as America (The government, not the people) would and should be able to help its own citizens and offer them a higher level of aid than the one offered to its people right now.

I just don't see the benefit in launching an almighty expensive war spending even more stabalising another country, just because they appear to be a threat. When America can't offer the same support, care and reassurance for the people living within it's own Country.

But I may be wrong on all of this, I live across the pond and have been influenced by a heavily biased anti-Bush Country (with the exception of Tony Blair). SO if I am worng forgive me, if I offend anyone then I am sorry it wasn't my intent. I just wanted to give my 'food' on this matter.
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What also makes me wonder is the rest of the World and their reaction to the events of Katrina. When 9/11 happened Tony Blair was willing to donate a percentge of our fire services to help in New York. When the Tsunami happend Britian contributed millions. We (and some other counties in Europe) even sent our troops with yours to Iraq, even though Blair wanted the go ahead from the UN first.

But as fair as I know nothing has been offered to New Orleans in the way of aid or help from any one in Europe. Why? (If there has been correct me on this)
 
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Your not wrong but the problem is that there is profit in going to war, it was never about terrorism, it was never about protecting our people. The disaster in the south is costly to america, there is no profit to be made, just costs. The bush administration has already spent thier budjet and then some so they cant afford a situation like this. Bush has already but us back in debt more so I think than the last like 3 presidents combined and before he got in the white house we were out of debt and ahead. Fact is that they have no clue what they are doing. DDD your not wrong you are so right its not even funny, the government forgot about priority #1 "ITS PEOPLE". Let Iraq worry about Iraq they didnt even start the damn war anyway, OSAMA BIN LADEN did and we dont even seem to care about him.
 
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